Wednesday, December 10, 2008

On Gay Marriage : Jon Stewart 1, Huckabee 0 !

Gay marriage is seen by some as threat to traditional marriage, i.e. between a man and a woman. Personally,I have yet to understand the argument: why giving more rights to some would take away rights from others.

Well, as Jon Stewart made it very clear when he grilled Mike Huckabee on this topic last night, the crux of the matter is that those people often think that homosexuality is a lifestyle (i.e. a choice) and not something that's in their genes. Therefore they do not see it as a civil rights issue.
As Jon Stewart put it: "religion is much more of choice than homosexuality".

A lot of Christians I know believe precisely that and even if they don't, then they sometimes say that people who have homosexual attractions should refrain from acting anyway, that it is a sort of test of their faith. Of course, most of those people do not really know any gay or have any idea what it must be like.
Yet others see it as a threat for their children. Why feel threatened? It is a lack of faith.

To me it is also lack of understanding, empathy, and even love towards a lot of people who sometimes go through very hard times even love is at the core of Christ's message. One needs to listen to homosexuals and think of them with love to see what is the most Christ-like things to do. Maybe a lot of those Christians should actually hang out with more people not like them.


At 22:02, Anonymous François said...

Well, the expression "something that's in their genes" may be unappropriate : until now, to the best of my knowledge, there is no evidence of the existence of genes causing homosexuality.
"Something innate" or "something beyond the control" would be a more scientifically correct expression.

At 22:29, Anonymous François said...

Yes, some christians focus themselves too much on moral matters and disapprobation of immoral behavior. Yet the core of the gospel is first about love and salvation by the forgiveness given by Jesus. This message should be said first, even if christians do not approve homosexuality.

As for your last sentence, it is hard for a christian to be in the world but not from the world (Jn 17.14-18) : this question is not resolved for any christian.

At 22:44, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Once all this above has been said, just take a look at this link :
It is interesting to note that, in France, a critical opinion about homosexuality is regarded as an offense to be sued.

When speaking with a group of friends or acquaintances, make some experiment :
just suggest that homosexuality is not normal, or that it could be kind of a dysfunction, and see what happens. If everyone agree, then you are among the christians you were talking about. But the classical situation will more probably be the following : everyone looking horrified, a bit scared and blaming you for homophobia.

At 19:10, Blogger Joker & Thief said...

I give you this - "in their genes" was not the best way of saying what I meant, especially from a scientific perspective. I like "Something innate".
By the way, 'homosexual' acts also exist in the animal world. (Ever seen male dogs doing it?).
I have always found it puzzling....

At 19:36, Blogger Joker & Thief said...

As for what you sad about being "in the world but not from the world (Jn 17.14-18)", it is of course an ongoing question....
However, it is closely related to what we understand 'evil' to be.
And I would suggest that contrary to what most Christians think, I don't believe homosexuality is evil, but rather what comes with it sometimes (instability, lies, shame, denial, self-hatred...). Paradoxically I believe many Christians and society at large bear a great responsibility for forcing gays to hide and put thing on a sheer sexual level.
So I think Christians should precisely support marriage and stability for homosexuals so that those men and women are less exposed to evil.

At 19:41, Blogger Joker & Thief said...

Yes, France has its own political correctness but it is in denial (looking at America's pc and not its own). As for what Christian Vanneste said, I personally find it stupid, shocking and intolerant BUT he is entitled to his opinion, and should have the freedom to express it, as long as he does not call for violence and hatred... (well did he?)


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